Is It Time To Reevaluate Your Opinion About TrueCar?

I have seen many issues polarize dealers, and at times energize them during my 30 years in the car business. Very few issues have rallied so many people in the auto industry to cry out than the advent of TrueCar’s advertising campaign in the Fall of 2011. In fact, since the creation of the two automotive professional networks I am involved with, AutomotiveDigitalMarketing.com and DealerELITE.net, there has been no other issue that has attracted even a tenth of the visitors to these sites, or engagement in the form of comments and subsequent posts… From October 2011 through January 2012 the most popular subject matter on many online sites catering to people working in the car business was the thorough vilifying of TrueCar.

Meanwhile, the outcry from dealers reached a crescendo of volume that was enough to get many State Dealer Associations and a handful of state regulators to “investigate” TrueCar for potential violation of everything from brokering without a license, to operating out of compliance with advertising regulations.

Amazingly enough, despite all the name calling and personal bashing that executives at TrueCar received, not a single “cease and desist” letter was sent, or lawsuit was filed by TrueCar against those of us who pushed our criticism of TrueCar beyond the boundaries of civilized and professional discussion or debate. In hindsight, I am very surprised that TrueCar took such a beating without resorting to legal measures against some of the worst name callers and accusers, including yours truly!

After receiving several phone calls and speaking with Scott Painter in December 2011 I put off visiting TrueCar’s headquarters at their invitation until just a few weeks ago. My first encounter with TrueCar executives on a face to face basis was in March 2012, at the Automotive Leadership Roundtable in Miami, FL. Bernie Brenner from TrueCar’s board came over to my table and asked me if I would sit with the TrueCar team during the lunch session and discuss changes they were making to their business model. Curiosity piqued, I accepted. Looking back on that lunch, I gave the TrueCar executive team a fairly strong rebuttal… I was polite, but explained my objections to their business model as inserting an unnecessary dealer expense. Mike Timmons, Bernie Brenner and a couple other TrueCar executives were polite, rational in their explanations and determined to convince me that they had seen many of the problems with their pricing models and were making changes so that TrueCar would make sense for dealers as a means of acquiring incremental business at about half of what the NADA average cost of advertising is Per Vehicle Retailed (PVR). At the time I remained resolute in my stated opinion that TrueCar was a bad deal for car dealers. However, I will admit that maintaining that opinion in the light of new information, changes TrueCar was making and the logic around their affinity model was already starting to erode the certainty I had in my position on TrueCar… Not that I was admitting any of that at the time!

The next time I saw any TrueCar executives was at Digital Dealer 12 in Orlando last April… Bernie Brenner approached me and asked me to bring any dealers who were avid TrueCar haters to him so he could meet them and listen to their grievances. Seemed like an odd request, but he was sincere and the entire TrueCar team was looking for people with negative perceptions of their company so they could show them all the aspects of their business model that had been changed, so that with new information these dealers might reevaluate their perception of the benefits of doing business with TrueCar.

What I have since learned is that from the beginning of January through May of 2012, TrueCar experienced a large number of dealers cancelling their TrueCar agreements and dropping out of the TrueCar program. This, combined with various state legislative issues is what prompted TrueCar to make so many dramatic changes to the way they do business. They simply had to change in order to move forward. Something that more people in the car business ought to consider!

When I accepted TrueCar’s invitation to visit their headquarters in Santa Monica, CA the timing was perfect… I arrived the day before a “all hands on deck” meeting where every TrueCar employee who works out of the headquarters was traveling in to attend. During my visit and tour I was able to spend more than an hour of quality time in detailed conversation with Scott Painter. Mike Timmons arrived a couple hours after I did and took me on a tour to meet various team leaders and department heads in the two building that TrueCar operates out of. I met many people and watched a team of TrueCar employees working directly with dealers all over the country, helping them to put deals together and sell cars. The people I met were intelligent, well spoken and knew what their part of the TrueCar mission was, and how it tied into selling cars. What I found was hardly a bastion of evil, nor were there any indicators that they were trying to eliminate car dealers or harm anyone working in a dealership. Like many companies I have visited, such as Edmunds, Kelley Blue Book, Dealix, AutoUSA, Cobalt, Reynolds, ADP and others, what I found at TrueCar was over 250 people who are educated and intelligent going about their specific duties and focused on generating more car sales for their participating dealers.

So, what about all these so called “changes” that TrueCar has made since the end of 2011? Let’s take a look at ten of them, why TrueCar made the changes and their intended impact.

10 Key TrueCar Changes – January to April 2012

In late 2011, TrueCar started receiving significant feedback – much of it critical – from the automotive retailing industry including dealers, dealer associations, manufacturers and industry consultants. In the first half of 2012, TrueCar made substantial changes to address industry concerns. By no means is TrueCar finished with implementing changes and revisions, but they do feel they have taken the necessary actions to ensure TrueCar is acting as a key auto industry partner.

Listed below are 10 key changes that TrueCar provided to me, which I subsequently edited for greater accuracy. I have validated this list with people inside and outside of TrueCar, as well viewed related documents supporting the implementation of these changes and further verified with dealers currently using TrueCar:

1. Changed Website Experience Nationwide and Billing Model in Certain States to Address Regulatory Compliance Concerns

What TrueCar Heard: Through trade publications, dealer association communications and social media sites, there was a lot of attention on whether TrueCar’s business model complied with the existing regulatory framework in certain states.

What TrueCar Did: Completely overhauled its website experience to address state-specific concerns related to advertising regulations. Among other changes, dealers no longer communicate price offers relative to invoice through the TrueCar website experience. Additionally, “bait and switch” concerns have been addressed through website features expressly clarifying that TrueCar.com users who use the website to explore the new car market are configuring “virtual vehicles” – not vehicles that are actually in inventory at participating dealers. TrueCar has also implemented a subscription-based billing model in certain states. 30 of the 50 states continue with TrueCar’s pay for performance model, while 19 other states have variations designed to comply with that state’s laws. Louisiana remains a state not served by TrueCar.

2. Overhauled Display of Information on TrueCar Price Curves and Dealer Portal to Address Dealer Concerns

What TrueCar Heard: Though not their intent, TrueCar heard loud and clear from dealers that the TrueCar price curves and Dealer Portal did not provide the most contextualized, relevant, and informative display of information to assist consumers and dealers.

What TrueCar Did: TrueCar realizes that their success depends on providing services that result in a better car buying experience for dealers and consumers. TrueCar changed the TrueCar price curves in January to provide more robust, comprehensive data that allows consumers to understand what constitutes a “fair” price in the current market. They also switched from providing “network-pricing” information in the Dealer Portal (which focused on the pricing of other TrueCar dealers) to providing “market-based” pricing information driven by recent transactions in the dealer’s local market area (not just transactions by TrueCar dealers).

3. Reduced DMS Data Received From Dealers

What We Heard: A small number of industry consultants used social media sites (such as Automotive Digital Marketing and dealerELITE) to spread misinformation that participating dealers’ sales matching data was being used to create the TrueCar price curves and/or that TrueCar actively markets to customers found in the dealers’ DMS. TrueCar data security executives swear, and all evidence I have seen shows that these are both myths.

What TrueCar Did: TrueCar only requires dealers to provide customer contact information (name, address, phone, email for buyer and co-buyer) and basic vehicle information (VIN, make/model/trim, year, new/used, stock number, sale date) in order to perform the sales matching, billing (in states with performance-based billing models), dealer scoring and analytics and reporting aspects of their business. TrueCar does not directly access dealer DMS systems and they never have. Their data extraction, normalization and compilation is handled by respected third-party vendors, such as Digital Motorworks (DMi) and Netlink. All dealers also have the option to “push” their sales matching data via FTP to TrueCar’s third-party vendors; the data received by TrueCar is the same whether the dealer chooses automated or manual sales data reporting. To address concerns that TrueCar was receiving extraneous data from its third-party vendors, TrueCar worked with both Digital Motorworks (DMi) and Netlink in February, 2012 to remove all unused fields from the data feeds sent to TrueCar, reducing the fields to just those listed above. Although I was aware that this was a false objection to TrueCar as far back as last December, it still seems like a lot of people in the business are under the false assumption that TrueCar uses DMS data for pricing curves. The reality is that they do not need DMS data to do their pricing reports, and what they would get from participating dealer DMS would be inadequate to provide the reporting they do.

4. Rolled Out More “Dealer-Friendly” Dealer Agreement, Including Indemnification

What TrueCar Heard: Some dealers told TrueCar that the dealer agreement needed to be more fair to the dealer.

What TrueCar Did: In February, they rolled out a new dealer agreement, the key aspects of which include: (i) dealers can cancel at any time for any or no reason; (ii) more clarity and control on how dealers provide sales reporting data to TrueCar; (iii) confirmation that the dealers’ sales reporting data is NOT used to create TrueCar price curves; and (iv) confirmation that dealers’ sales reporting data is NOT used to send marketing-related communications to customers. In April, TrueCar added a limited indemnification provision to the new dealer agreement. The decision to indemnify dealers is another manifestation of TrueCar’s commitment to their dealer partners and underscores that they are fully invested in standing behind the services that TrueCar provides to dealers.

5. Launched TrueCar National Dealer Council

What TrueCar Heard: Many dealers, dealer associations and manufacturers expressed concern that TrueCar was making major product, process and policy changes without incorporating feedback from dealers.

What TrueCar Did: In April, 2012 TrueCar launched a National Dealer Council with 20 Members representing 24 states, 35 unique makes and 281 franchises. The purpose of the Council is to ensure TrueCar is actively listening to dealers, and the Council is chaired by Gary Marcotte (former SVP Marketing & Strategy at AutoNation). The inaugural full-day Council meeting in April was reported as being "excellent" by those who participated, and TrueCar executives received much appreciated feedback from the Dealer Council Members. Going forward, the Council will meet periodically with TrueCar senior executives to provide guidance on how TrueCar can improve the services it provides to dealers.

6. Initiated Dealer Associations Outreach

What TrueCar Learned: TrueCar had not historically communicated with state and large metro dealer associations and paid a price for not directly engaging this important constituency.

What TrueCar Did: In March, TrueCar hired Pat Watson, VP of Industry Relations, to directly communicate and work collaboratively with dealer associations on how to help their mutual partners – dealers. Pat is the former CEO of the South Carolina Automobile Dealers Association, where he worked for 38 years.

7. Started Participating In Key Industry Conferences

What TrueCar Learned: Prior to 2012, TrueCar did not have an active presence at key industry conferences, which was perceived by some as an indication that TrueCar did not care to engage directly with the industry.

What TrueCar Did: In 2012, TrueCar has sponsored and actively participated at key industry conferences, including Automotive Leadership Roundtable in March and Digital Dealer 12 in April, and the upcoming AutoCon 2012 in September. TrueCar will continue to have an active presence at future conferences, including Digital Dealer 13, Driving Sales, J.D. Power Automotive Internet Roundtable, various 20 Groups, trade associations and dealer group events.

8. Improved TrueCar’s Social Media Response and Presence

What TrueCar Learned: Social media can be a powerful medium for individuals in the automotive retail industry to share opinions and stories that shape perceptions of many automotive professionals.

What TrueCar Did: Mike Timmons, EVP of TrueCar and an auto retailing veteran (VP Operations AutoNation; independent auto dealer; new car sales and management) has taken ownership of monitoring and responding as appropriate to social media related to TrueCar and industry-related issues. Additionally, Mike has directly reached out to key TrueCar detractors to understand and address their concerns, as well as to correct any misinformation, and he will continue to do so. In the future, TrueCar will be taking a more proactive approach to leverage social media to showcase their product, services and changes in the way they do business.

9. Increased Communication With Manufacturers

Before: Previously, TrueCar’s communication with manufacturers was sporadic and reactionary, sometimes leading to significant misconceptions.

What TrueCar Did: In the past four months, Larry Dominique, EVP Data Solutions, with over 27 years of OEM experience (former VP Advanced and Product Planning and Strategy, Nissan, plus stints at GM and Chrysler), has met with key decision makers from 20 car companies to listen to their concerns and inform them as to what TrueCar is really all about. Going forward, TrueCar will continue to directly engage with OEM management to discuss ways that TrueCar can improve the services it provides to their dealer networks.

10. Added More Dealer Support

What TrueCar Heard: Dealers told TrueCar they want more face time and direct support from TrueCar dealer-facing personnel.

What TrueCar Did: In the first four months of 2012, they added 13 new employees to the TrueCar Dealer Development Team, including Ken Potter (VP Dealer Development; former VP & GM of Internet Brands / CarsDirect; former GM of two dealerships), Amir Rizkalla (Director Account Management; formerly of Fisker Automotive and Toyota), two Area Sales Managers and four Account Managers. TrueCar is currently looking to hire 9 additional dealer-facing employees in the next 60 days, including six more Area Sales Managers (Philadelphia, Charlotte, Atlanta, Seattle, Des Moines, and St. Louis) as well as two more Account Managers, to ensure that they are adequately staffed to continue providing dealers with the level of support they want and need.

After traveling to TrueCar headquarters on a Monday in July and then visiting Southern California dealers, I returned home to Phoenix on Tuesday evening. Later that week I had an appointment with the owners and management team at Courtesy Chevrolet in Phoenix. This is the same Courtesy Chevrolet that I worked at from 2005 to 2007, and I have a close bond with the leadership team there… During my visit, which was to convince them to attend AutoCon 2012, I mentioned visiting TrueCar headquarters earlier in the week. The response I received from the owner and several managers was “we really like the TrueCar program, they have gotten a lot better about invoicing us and the business we get from them seems to be purely incremental… deals we would not otherwise have made.”

These statements and the discussions I had with the team at Courtesy, as well as all the information I had witnessed firsthand during my meetings at TrueCar, and from the conversations I had with at least a dozen TrueCar employees lead me to a conclusion I feel very certain about. It would be foolish for any dealer to ignore the changes that TrueCar has made and not reevaluate whether to do business with TrueCar based on the new information available and the changes TrueCar has made to the way they do business.

 

Researched and written by Ralph Paglia - The above represents my own perceptions and opinions, and does not necessarily reflect those of the ADM editorial staff or its members.

Be sure to take advantage of the opportunity to learn more about this topic and many relevant issues focused on growing a competitive advantage in automotive retail by registering and attending AutoCon 2012 in Las Vegas at the Aria Resort Conference Center from September 5th to the 8th...

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Comment by Timothy Martell on August 15, 2012 at 11:33am

@Mike again, you seem like an intelligent and genuine person. Wether or not that is reflected throughout the core of TC is for dealers to decide - not me. If you really want to change the image of TC, then sponsoring events like these is a great start.

Like Jim Z, I was very vocal about another company a few years back that AutoDealers were getting tired of - AutoTrader. For years their tactics of annual massive increases in cost and condescending way they treated dealers were status quo. Until a blog post in a forum like this sparked a debate.

Ultimately Chip Perry reached out to me and flew my dealer principle and I to Vegas for their annual meeting where they outlined their new approach. To becoming service oriented instead of sales oriented. To becoming dealer centric.

After being burned several times I was skeptical, but they executed a tremendous brand re-image campaign and more importantly, backed up the message with service and value. TrueCar can change. I don't know if the perception of TrueCar can change without a changing of the guard at the highest level, but then, dealer's memories are notoriously short. So only time will tell.

If Ralph genuinely intended this to be perceived as an honest take on TC changing then I am truly sorry for all the heat he is getting on this. Ralph is a genius. I just find it hard to believe he didn't know this would be the result. That things like Jim Z giving his word not to talk about TC until after the conference wouldn't come to light. That TC being a sponsor of AutoCon wouldn't cast his motives in a shadow of doubt. If its all just a tragic coincidence. Then I am truly sorry for Ralph... I just have a hard time believing he could make that mistake.

Comment by Michael Timmons on August 15, 2012 at 11:20am

Gentlemen,

On the topic of old quotes and stories....."No good deed goes unpunished" is a sardonic commentary on the frequency with which acts of kindness backfire on those who offer them.

This heated debate around what TrueCar did in the past or its future evil conspiracy plans are exactly why I was concerned about sponsoring this event. The simple fact is that TrueCar wanted to help support a new conference aimed at the continued education for automotive professionals. I spoke extensively with Brian and Ralph about the conference and was very impressed by the passion they had about starting an educational conference. Jim Ziegler was already signed up as a keynote speaker for this event and, out of respect, I reached out to him. I have been fortunate to get to know Jim and would not have recommended we sponsor the conference if he asked me not to. I know that Jim still does not like TrueCar and hates the article that Ralph wrote. The only reason you have not seen him respond on this forum is that he promised me that he wouldn't and he is a man of his word. There is no ban, just honor!  

I now personally feel that I am taking advantage of his commitment by continuing to post when he has promised that he wouldn't. I am happy to privately respond to anyone on this forum by email. I wish everyone continued success in their careers and I hope to see many of you at the conference.

Mike

mtimmons@truecar.com

Comment by Timothy Martell on August 15, 2012 at 11:19am

Ralph I guess I am confused about the items listed in my last post. I simply suggesting that the execution of this post is ill timed if you truly intended the post to stand on its alleged merits. You say you are not compensated by TrueCar and do not "work for them." So I guess I could be misinformed and if so, AGAIN, I apologize. But is TrueCar then NOT a sponsor of AutoCon? I wasn't under the impression that AutoCon was a non-profit and that you would derive no income from that venture. 

If you wanted the post to honestly stand on its content then why publish it before AutoCon knowing full well that people would make the connection that TC is a sponsor of your event?

If you wanted the post to honestly stand on its merits then why would you forbid speakers at AutoCon who had been vocal about TC in the past from sharing their views (only if negative of course) about TC and then go and write this post.

I gotta say I've known you a long time and always respected you, but if this is really the case then this seems awfully Roscoe-esc. I love you man. I want this thing to succeed because a great alternative to digital dealer is long overdue and I would love to throw my hat in the ring of supporting something like that. But these questions honestly leave me scratching my head.

Comment by David Ruggles on August 15, 2012 at 11:17am

Scott Painter's views on the distribution chain are not unique.  I recall JD Power referring to the dealer body as an "unnecessary link in the distribution chain."  After he uttered these words it was decided that he would be personna non grata at his own company's hospitality reception at the upcoming NADA, and the company was sold shortly thereafter.  Michael Dell made a similar statement.  Now that he is an investor in a dealer group, we haven't heard much from him on the subject.

Comment by David T. Gould on August 15, 2012 at 11:17am

@Ralph, Really? You owe Keith and this community an explanation, specifically, of what you are referring to. I look forward to reviewing which statements were "were incorrect and not based on fact..." 

Comment by Keith Shetterly on August 15, 2012 at 11:15am

Seriously, David?  Do you feel "personalized" by your picture of someone with a laptop over their head??  :)

Comment by David T. Gould on August 15, 2012 at 11:12am

@ Gary, I take nothing away from the dealer council and your efforts there with TrueCar. My statements reflect my belief, based on my interpretations, that TrueCar would NEVER have initiated #1 - #9 prior to the government mandates initiated by dealer associations that were encouraged from forums and individuals like those here. #10 possibly, to attempt to smooth over Mr Painter's no need for salespeople and dealership reduction statements.

My assertions on #6 come from my direct experience with TrueCar and from Ralph's observation above.

Once again, I take nothing away from the dealer council and your efforts. I challenge the probability of those efforts being possible without outside intervention. TrueCar was not listening to dealers at that time, they were telling dealers. TrueCar was told they could not continue to operate the way they were, THEN they saw the light. Not exactly the way it is presented above.

Thank you for your response in spite of the fact that you consider me uninformed.

DTG

P.S. Put up a profile picture and join the community. It personalizes your posts.

Comment by Ralph Paglia on August 15, 2012 at 11:07am

Tim, because I am NOT compensated by TrueCar, and do not work for them, have never received any payments or direct personal gain from TrueCar, they can take ownership of presenting any documents you want to request... Heck, why don't you reach out to Mike Timmons and ask for whatever it is you seem to want to use to personally promote your own brand by bashing TrueCar.  It worked for me and quite a few other people last year.. Go for it!  If you really want a "court of law" level of evidential protocol, why don't you go ahead and sue TrueCar and take your accusations and insinuating insults to where you seem to want to go... All I did was research, review documents and contracts, interview people inside and outside of TrueCar and report my opinion that enough has changed to support further due diligence and a reevaluation.   

I have always prided myself in looking at new information that merits forming new opinions and evaluations... I was creating Internet Leads in the late 1980's and took a lot of criticism for doing so... I knew that many people would object to my article post above... I sat on it for two weeks before I built up enough courage to publish it.  It is a heck of lot more popular and easier to bash TrueCar and call them names... But, to objectively look at their business value propositions and then say "Yes" or "No" to what they are selling to dealers is a heck of a lot more prudent.

Would i sign up for TrueCar if I were yet again managing a dealership? All depends on the facts and how it pencils out... But I would not make the decision without evaluating my projections of ROI based on the current terms and conditions of how they provide products and services... That is rational... Joining a chorus of detractors without first hand review, or even jumping on board with a group of supporters without first hand review and evaluation is neither the prudent or optimum approach.  I kind of like Kurt Maletych's (Ken Grody Ford) approach... He read this article, had someone from TrueCar provide updated information, called me and thanked me for the article and decided NOT to sign up for TrueCar.  what he thanked me for had nothing to do with his decision to decline TrueCar but was his appreciation for the confidence his reevaluation provided him in deciding to stay away from TrueCar.  Each dealer should make their own decision, my research and article was, and is about making sure you have the correct and up to date information when making that decision.  AND, if 6 months later those facts change, it may be time to reevaluate.  What is so darned difficult or illogical about THAT?

Comment by Keith Shetterly on August 15, 2012 at 11:07am

@ Ralph:  I have it from TrueCar themselves this morning that they don't count me into any spread of misinformation.  I never "used" DE or ADM to do that.  A challenge of the facts is not misinformation, and I felt if I were included in #3 that was an insult to my reputation, being accused of "using" ADM and DE for that purpose.  If you chose the wrong word "used", it was important.  And, as to facts we had, the actual DMS agreements were vague on that usage--I read them, and we have (had?) one archived on ADM that showed that.  That TrueCar did NOT use the data was later documented and some things were changed, I think, in the actual agreements.  So, for the record, anybody who says I ever used ADM or DE to spread misinformation on TrueCar is dead wrong; I'm not putting myself on that list, no matter you might put yourself there or not.  It's just not true, at least for me.  Thanks for answering.

Comment by Timothy Martell on August 15, 2012 at 11:04am

@Keith, don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that Ralph is twisting his mustache plotting to figure out how he can endear TrueCar to dealers because they sent a few Internet Managers to AutoCon. We all know Ralph. I don't think he's the kind of person that would sell out the integrity that is built over decades for a sponsor of his event. If that was the impression I gave, then sincerely, my apologies.

But we talk about this all the time. Perception is reality. And there are some really fishy facts on the table here.

1) I know for a fact, because I was told by people who are speaking at AutoCon that they were obligated NOT to say ANYTHING negative about TrueCar until after AutoCon. I guess they could all be lying to me, but I tend to doubt that.

2) Ralph, obviously aware of this "obligation" made the personal decision to write this article prior to AutoCon knowing full well that these people could not weigh in on this conversation. 

3) TrueCar is an AutoCon Sponsor.

All I'm saying is the timing of this is terrible. If Ralph really wanted dealers to honestly take a second look, he would have smartly and correctly waited until after AutoCon to present this. If TC is sponsoring the event, plenty of people there will have the chance to meet Mike Timmons or whom ever from TC personally. It sounds like he's a genuine guy. I bet he would have won over some more dealer supporters. Then they wouldn't be under fire again in this thread.

I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with Ralph trying to help his client. I'm not sure that he has by writing this post, but I don't fault him for trying. I just think the execution was poor and that he HAD to know this would be the result. And if he KNEW this would be the result, then the only goal was to blow up DE and ADM with tons of people commenting back and forth because that puts a lot of eyes on these posts which means they get exposed to more AutoCon Marketing.

Ralph, you're undoubtedly a genius... Don't know if I would have approached it the same... But then you have the data so you'll know wether the exposure generated from this post and other similar ones, good or bad ultimately had a positive effect on whatever your true goal is.

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