Is It Time To Reevaluate Your Opinion About TrueCar?

I have seen many issues polarize dealers, and at times energize them during my 30 years in the car business. Very few issues have rallied so many people in the auto industry to cry out than the advent of TrueCar’s advertising campaign in the Fall of 2011. In fact, since the creation of the two automotive professional networks I am involved with, AutomotiveDigitalMarketing.com and DealerELITE.net, there has been no other issue that has attracted even a tenth of the visitors to these sites, or engagement in the form of comments and subsequent posts… From October 2011 through January 2012 the most popular subject matter on many online sites catering to people working in the car business was the thorough vilifying of TrueCar.

Meanwhile, the outcry from dealers reached a crescendo of volume that was enough to get many State Dealer Associations and a handful of state regulators to “investigate” TrueCar for potential violation of everything from brokering without a license, to operating out of compliance with advertising regulations.

Amazingly enough, despite all the name calling and personal bashing that executives at TrueCar received, not a single “cease and desist” letter was sent, or lawsuit was filed by TrueCar against those of us who pushed our criticism of TrueCar beyond the boundaries of civilized and professional discussion or debate. In hindsight, I am very surprised that TrueCar took such a beating without resorting to legal measures against some of the worst name callers and accusers, including yours truly!

After receiving several phone calls and speaking with Scott Painter in December 2011 I put off visiting TrueCar’s headquarters at their invitation until just a few weeks ago. My first encounter with TrueCar executives on a face to face basis was in March 2012, at the Automotive Leadership Roundtable in Miami, FL. Bernie Brenner from TrueCar’s board came over to my table and asked me if I would sit with the TrueCar team during the lunch session and discuss changes they were making to their business model. Curiosity piqued, I accepted. Looking back on that lunch, I gave the TrueCar executive team a fairly strong rebuttal… I was polite, but explained my objections to their business model as inserting an unnecessary dealer expense. Mike Timmons, Bernie Brenner and a couple other TrueCar executives were polite, rational in their explanations and determined to convince me that they had seen many of the problems with their pricing models and were making changes so that TrueCar would make sense for dealers as a means of acquiring incremental business at about half of what the NADA average cost of advertising is Per Vehicle Retailed (PVR). At the time I remained resolute in my stated opinion that TrueCar was a bad deal for car dealers. However, I will admit that maintaining that opinion in the light of new information, changes TrueCar was making and the logic around their affinity model was already starting to erode the certainty I had in my position on TrueCar… Not that I was admitting any of that at the time!

The next time I saw any TrueCar executives was at Digital Dealer 12 in Orlando last April… Bernie Brenner approached me and asked me to bring any dealers who were avid TrueCar haters to him so he could meet them and listen to their grievances. Seemed like an odd request, but he was sincere and the entire TrueCar team was looking for people with negative perceptions of their company so they could show them all the aspects of their business model that had been changed, so that with new information these dealers might reevaluate their perception of the benefits of doing business with TrueCar.

What I have since learned is that from the beginning of January through May of 2012, TrueCar experienced a large number of dealers cancelling their TrueCar agreements and dropping out of the TrueCar program. This, combined with various state legislative issues is what prompted TrueCar to make so many dramatic changes to the way they do business. They simply had to change in order to move forward. Something that more people in the car business ought to consider!

When I accepted TrueCar’s invitation to visit their headquarters in Santa Monica, CA the timing was perfect… I arrived the day before a “all hands on deck” meeting where every TrueCar employee who works out of the headquarters was traveling in to attend. During my visit and tour I was able to spend more than an hour of quality time in detailed conversation with Scott Painter. Mike Timmons arrived a couple hours after I did and took me on a tour to meet various team leaders and department heads in the two building that TrueCar operates out of. I met many people and watched a team of TrueCar employees working directly with dealers all over the country, helping them to put deals together and sell cars. The people I met were intelligent, well spoken and knew what their part of the TrueCar mission was, and how it tied into selling cars. What I found was hardly a bastion of evil, nor were there any indicators that they were trying to eliminate car dealers or harm anyone working in a dealership. Like many companies I have visited, such as Edmunds, Kelley Blue Book, Dealix, AutoUSA, Cobalt, Reynolds, ADP and others, what I found at TrueCar was over 250 people who are educated and intelligent going about their specific duties and focused on generating more car sales for their participating dealers.

So, what about all these so called “changes” that TrueCar has made since the end of 2011? Let’s take a look at ten of them, why TrueCar made the changes and their intended impact.

10 Key TrueCar Changes – January to April 2012

In late 2011, TrueCar started receiving significant feedback – much of it critical – from the automotive retailing industry including dealers, dealer associations, manufacturers and industry consultants. In the first half of 2012, TrueCar made substantial changes to address industry concerns. By no means is TrueCar finished with implementing changes and revisions, but they do feel they have taken the necessary actions to ensure TrueCar is acting as a key auto industry partner.

Listed below are 10 key changes that TrueCar provided to me, which I subsequently edited for greater accuracy. I have validated this list with people inside and outside of TrueCar, as well viewed related documents supporting the implementation of these changes and further verified with dealers currently using TrueCar:

1. Changed Website Experience Nationwide and Billing Model in Certain States to Address Regulatory Compliance Concerns

What TrueCar Heard: Through trade publications, dealer association communications and social media sites, there was a lot of attention on whether TrueCar’s business model complied with the existing regulatory framework in certain states.

What TrueCar Did: Completely overhauled its website experience to address state-specific concerns related to advertising regulations. Among other changes, dealers no longer communicate price offers relative to invoice through the TrueCar website experience. Additionally, “bait and switch” concerns have been addressed through website features expressly clarifying that TrueCar.com users who use the website to explore the new car market are configuring “virtual vehicles” – not vehicles that are actually in inventory at participating dealers. TrueCar has also implemented a subscription-based billing model in certain states. 30 of the 50 states continue with TrueCar’s pay for performance model, while 19 other states have variations designed to comply with that state’s laws. Louisiana remains a state not served by TrueCar.

2. Overhauled Display of Information on TrueCar Price Curves and Dealer Portal to Address Dealer Concerns

What TrueCar Heard: Though not their intent, TrueCar heard loud and clear from dealers that the TrueCar price curves and Dealer Portal did not provide the most contextualized, relevant, and informative display of information to assist consumers and dealers.

What TrueCar Did: TrueCar realizes that their success depends on providing services that result in a better car buying experience for dealers and consumers. TrueCar changed the TrueCar price curves in January to provide more robust, comprehensive data that allows consumers to understand what constitutes a “fair” price in the current market. They also switched from providing “network-pricing” information in the Dealer Portal (which focused on the pricing of other TrueCar dealers) to providing “market-based” pricing information driven by recent transactions in the dealer’s local market area (not just transactions by TrueCar dealers).

3. Reduced DMS Data Received From Dealers

What We Heard: A small number of industry consultants used social media sites (such as Automotive Digital Marketing and dealerELITE) to spread misinformation that participating dealers’ sales matching data was being used to create the TrueCar price curves and/or that TrueCar actively markets to customers found in the dealers’ DMS. TrueCar data security executives swear, and all evidence I have seen shows that these are both myths.

What TrueCar Did: TrueCar only requires dealers to provide customer contact information (name, address, phone, email for buyer and co-buyer) and basic vehicle information (VIN, make/model/trim, year, new/used, stock number, sale date) in order to perform the sales matching, billing (in states with performance-based billing models), dealer scoring and analytics and reporting aspects of their business. TrueCar does not directly access dealer DMS systems and they never have. Their data extraction, normalization and compilation is handled by respected third-party vendors, such as Digital Motorworks (DMi) and Netlink. All dealers also have the option to “push” their sales matching data via FTP to TrueCar’s third-party vendors; the data received by TrueCar is the same whether the dealer chooses automated or manual sales data reporting. To address concerns that TrueCar was receiving extraneous data from its third-party vendors, TrueCar worked with both Digital Motorworks (DMi) and Netlink in February, 2012 to remove all unused fields from the data feeds sent to TrueCar, reducing the fields to just those listed above. Although I was aware that this was a false objection to TrueCar as far back as last December, it still seems like a lot of people in the business are under the false assumption that TrueCar uses DMS data for pricing curves. The reality is that they do not need DMS data to do their pricing reports, and what they would get from participating dealer DMS would be inadequate to provide the reporting they do.

4. Rolled Out More “Dealer-Friendly” Dealer Agreement, Including Indemnification

What TrueCar Heard: Some dealers told TrueCar that the dealer agreement needed to be more fair to the dealer.

What TrueCar Did: In February, they rolled out a new dealer agreement, the key aspects of which include: (i) dealers can cancel at any time for any or no reason; (ii) more clarity and control on how dealers provide sales reporting data to TrueCar; (iii) confirmation that the dealers’ sales reporting data is NOT used to create TrueCar price curves; and (iv) confirmation that dealers’ sales reporting data is NOT used to send marketing-related communications to customers. In April, TrueCar added a limited indemnification provision to the new dealer agreement. The decision to indemnify dealers is another manifestation of TrueCar’s commitment to their dealer partners and underscores that they are fully invested in standing behind the services that TrueCar provides to dealers.

5. Launched TrueCar National Dealer Council

What TrueCar Heard: Many dealers, dealer associations and manufacturers expressed concern that TrueCar was making major product, process and policy changes without incorporating feedback from dealers.

What TrueCar Did: In April, 2012 TrueCar launched a National Dealer Council with 20 Members representing 24 states, 35 unique makes and 281 franchises. The purpose of the Council is to ensure TrueCar is actively listening to dealers, and the Council is chaired by Gary Marcotte (former SVP Marketing & Strategy at AutoNation). The inaugural full-day Council meeting in April was reported as being "excellent" by those who participated, and TrueCar executives received much appreciated feedback from the Dealer Council Members. Going forward, the Council will meet periodically with TrueCar senior executives to provide guidance on how TrueCar can improve the services it provides to dealers.

6. Initiated Dealer Associations Outreach

What TrueCar Learned: TrueCar had not historically communicated with state and large metro dealer associations and paid a price for not directly engaging this important constituency.

What TrueCar Did: In March, TrueCar hired Pat Watson, VP of Industry Relations, to directly communicate and work collaboratively with dealer associations on how to help their mutual partners – dealers. Pat is the former CEO of the South Carolina Automobile Dealers Association, where he worked for 38 years.

7. Started Participating In Key Industry Conferences

What TrueCar Learned: Prior to 2012, TrueCar did not have an active presence at key industry conferences, which was perceived by some as an indication that TrueCar did not care to engage directly with the industry.

What TrueCar Did: In 2012, TrueCar has sponsored and actively participated at key industry conferences, including Automotive Leadership Roundtable in March and Digital Dealer 12 in April, and the upcoming AutoCon 2012 in September. TrueCar will continue to have an active presence at future conferences, including Digital Dealer 13, Driving Sales, J.D. Power Automotive Internet Roundtable, various 20 Groups, trade associations and dealer group events.

8. Improved TrueCar’s Social Media Response and Presence

What TrueCar Learned: Social media can be a powerful medium for individuals in the automotive retail industry to share opinions and stories that shape perceptions of many automotive professionals.

What TrueCar Did: Mike Timmons, EVP of TrueCar and an auto retailing veteran (VP Operations AutoNation; independent auto dealer; new car sales and management) has taken ownership of monitoring and responding as appropriate to social media related to TrueCar and industry-related issues. Additionally, Mike has directly reached out to key TrueCar detractors to understand and address their concerns, as well as to correct any misinformation, and he will continue to do so. In the future, TrueCar will be taking a more proactive approach to leverage social media to showcase their product, services and changes in the way they do business.

9. Increased Communication With Manufacturers

Before: Previously, TrueCar’s communication with manufacturers was sporadic and reactionary, sometimes leading to significant misconceptions.

What TrueCar Did: In the past four months, Larry Dominique, EVP Data Solutions, with over 27 years of OEM experience (former VP Advanced and Product Planning and Strategy, Nissan, plus stints at GM and Chrysler), has met with key decision makers from 20 car companies to listen to their concerns and inform them as to what TrueCar is really all about. Going forward, TrueCar will continue to directly engage with OEM management to discuss ways that TrueCar can improve the services it provides to their dealer networks.

10. Added More Dealer Support

What TrueCar Heard: Dealers told TrueCar they want more face time and direct support from TrueCar dealer-facing personnel.

What TrueCar Did: In the first four months of 2012, they added 13 new employees to the TrueCar Dealer Development Team, including Ken Potter (VP Dealer Development; former VP & GM of Internet Brands / CarsDirect; former GM of two dealerships), Amir Rizkalla (Director Account Management; formerly of Fisker Automotive and Toyota), two Area Sales Managers and four Account Managers. TrueCar is currently looking to hire 9 additional dealer-facing employees in the next 60 days, including six more Area Sales Managers (Philadelphia, Charlotte, Atlanta, Seattle, Des Moines, and St. Louis) as well as two more Account Managers, to ensure that they are adequately staffed to continue providing dealers with the level of support they want and need.

After traveling to TrueCar headquarters on a Monday in July and then visiting Southern California dealers, I returned home to Phoenix on Tuesday evening. Later that week I had an appointment with the owners and management team at Courtesy Chevrolet in Phoenix. This is the same Courtesy Chevrolet that I worked at from 2005 to 2007, and I have a close bond with the leadership team there… During my visit, which was to convince them to attend AutoCon 2012, I mentioned visiting TrueCar headquarters earlier in the week. The response I received from the owner and several managers was “we really like the TrueCar program, they have gotten a lot better about invoicing us and the business we get from them seems to be purely incremental… deals we would not otherwise have made.”

These statements and the discussions I had with the team at Courtesy, as well as all the information I had witnessed firsthand during my meetings at TrueCar, and from the conversations I had with at least a dozen TrueCar employees lead me to a conclusion I feel very certain about. It would be foolish for any dealer to ignore the changes that TrueCar has made and not reevaluate whether to do business with TrueCar based on the new information available and the changes TrueCar has made to the way they do business.

 

Researched and written by Ralph Paglia - The above represents my own perceptions and opinions, and does not necessarily reflect those of the ADM editorial staff or its members.

Be sure to take advantage of the opportunity to learn more about this topic and many relevant issues focused on growing a competitive advantage in automotive retail by registering and attending AutoCon 2012 in Las Vegas at the Aria Resort Conference Center from September 5th to the 8th...

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Comment by Ralph Paglia on August 15, 2012 at 10:49am

To Keith Shetterly - I went through all the comments and am not too clear on your repeated requests for me to "answer the question" but if it related to who I believe would be included on a list of people who posted statements about TrueCar's use of dealer supplied DMS data that were incorrect and not based on fact... You can put my own name first on the list, or wherever you want, because I did not learn about how TrueCar's pricing reports were generated until well into 2012.

Comment by Keith Shetterly on August 15, 2012 at 10:43am

@ Tim:  I think what Ralph is suggesting is to reconsider; for those that don't want to, then don't.  I'm not comfortable questioning motivations around this issue, because there have been many--however, it's my reputation on his #3 that I'm particularly worried about.  I never, ever spread misinformation--did NOT "use" DE or ADM for that either.  I asked them, and TrueCar has told me themselves that they did not see me as someone spreading misinformation.  That's fair, and I thank them for that.

I think Ralph might've written that differently, had he understood that it opened the door to folks to question HIS motives.  I still won't do that, because, as I've said before to folks, if we drained all the bullshit out of this business I'm not sure what we'd have left.  Ralph took the sponsorship and made it into education opportunities.

Folks aren't going to AutoCON for at TrueCar Re-Education Camp.  

Comment by Timothy Martell on August 15, 2012 at 10:24am

Keith I guess rather than turning it in to a confrontation about he said/she said, I would instead like to see this alleged evidence. If the security team swears and all evidence Ralph "saw" points to the contrary, then just what is this evidence Ralph "saw"? I admit I am a skeptic, but OJ swears he didn't kill his wife too...

I would think that if Ralph was trying to exonerate TrueCar for this DMS topic that there would be some sort of supporting evidence. The statement alone certainly wouldn't hold up in any court I know.

Comment by Ralph Paglia on August 15, 2012 at 10:23am

At the risk of repeating myself... I have never changed my opinion or guidance to dealers about a product from any company in exchange for compensation. The one and only time I was ever formally "written up" in a reprimand during my time at ADP Dealer Services was for publicly criticizing one of our products (it WAS positive criticism, I swear!). Won't do it, and have personally and professionally suffered at the hands of several companies for that commitment.

The opinions I express here on dealerELITE and several other networks are my own, they are not somebody else's and most definitely NOT the official policies or opinions of the companies that employ me or pay for my consulting services.

I have never received one penny of money for ANYTHING from TrueCar or its affiliates... However, before my love/hate relationship with Martell raises its ugly head, TrueCar has paid First Class Educators to buy an AutoCon 2012 Conference sponsorship/exhibit and fund the AutoCon Scholarship Program for 2012.  AutoCon may have been my brainchild, but there are many stakeholders in addition to my company and TrueCar's sponsorship payments are a small percentage of total revenue for the event.  Heck, I have not even been able to sell TrueCar any advertising space on ADM or dealerELITE! But after all the grief I have received for expressing my opinions, I think I will take another run at those people...

So, let me make something perfectly clear... Anyone who has ever worked with me, especially every boss and dealer I have worked for in the past 30 years will vouch for this... Any comments about TrueCar paying me off, or somehow buying my opinion are bullshit... MY STATED OPINIONS ARE MY OWN AND NOT FOR SALE AT ANY PRICE BELOW SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS! (C'mon, let's be real about endorsements).

I did my own research for this article and paid for plane tickets and hotel rooms to visit dealers using TrueCar.  My trip to TrueCar in Santa Monica was paid for by yours truly... Yeah, TrueCar offered to pick up my travel and hotel costs, but I never submitted my receipts because doing so would have compromised my integrity from my own personal perspective, not anyone else's.  This article is NOT telling dealers to sign up for TrueCar... READ THE HEADLINE! This article makes the case for a reevaluation of TrueCar, and after speaking with Gary Marcotte and others, I stand by my opinion that the changes TrueCar has made and continues to make, merit their reconsideration by dealers. 

After all is said and done, all the hyperbola around TrueCar, isn't fixing something you screw up on part of the American way? Redemption and reinvention after getting knocked down... Rebuilding a company into something better than it was before, after getting a beating in the marketplace... Sure seems like the right thing to do from my perspective.  Who here has never made a mistake? yeah, TrueCar (mostly Scott Painter) made some mistakes with public statements early on, their initial responses to criticism in places like ADM and dealerELITE, and we all hated those rediculous TV commercials last year.  But, they have owned up to their mistrakes, changed the way they operate on many more levels than I wrote above... So, why not take another look?

Comment by Keith Shetterly on August 15, 2012 at 10:09am

FYI, I did think that Jim Z didn't know about the TC sponsorship before he accepted the keynote, if you are referring to that; I may not understand that correctly.  I don't know of any "ban" and have 100% not been contacted by anyone to change or alter any of my beliefs, thoughts, posts, or questions.  I had actually moved on to worrying, as I put below, about a larger picture for dealers than just TrueCar.  A reminder, I'm not speaking at AutoCON, nor do I have any financial or Internet "friends with benefits" with ADM, DE, or TrueCar.  My opinions and actions, positive or negative, are my own.

Comment by Keith Shetterly on August 15, 2012 at 10:01am

@ Gary:  Actually, that was a LOT nicer than you were perceived to be with Stanley.  Thanks for that; directness appreciated.  I submit it is incorrect, however, to state that the only TrueCar change in David's #6 had to be with Mike Timmons, etc. showing dealers how the site "really" worked. Mike Timmons himself has highlighted for us that changes that occurred--so there were changes, not just how things "really" worked, due to the Dealer Council and not just the riot here and elsewhere, I believe.  As my aunt used to say, "the Devil is in the the details".  Thanks.

Comment by David T. Gould on August 15, 2012 at 9:53am

@Stanley, your candidness about the "ban" on dialog prior to AutoCon 2012 is noted. Thank you for being so direct. Note: How is it OK for Ralph to inject TrueCar propaganda in advance of AutoCon 2012 but that there is a "ban" on comments from those that might be detractors? 

@Tom, words of wisdom as always.

@Jerry, you left me a little confused with the first Bismarck story... Were you referring to TrueCar or making excuses for Ralph's "Is It Time To Reevaluate TrueCar" post? The rest are some great examples of history destine to repeat itself here. Always good to hear from you.

DTG thought: In my area, there was one, then two and now three TrueCar Toyota dealers participating (in the next state over) with TrueCar program. That should, in theory, cause a HUGE influx of business to those dealers based on the types of numbers of leads we received. In theory, those dealerships should be running away with the ball in this game. But they are not... Why not? Has anyone broken down the cost of TrueCar in gross profit lost per deal PLUS the cost of the leads? This past six months non TrueCar deals have been a windfall to dealers that they should be made aware of.

Comment by Gary Marcotte on August 15, 2012 at 9:53am

@David.  There were a number of us that asked TrueCar to form a dealer council, in large part, because involving dealers makes products, services and sites better.  They eventually did and it worked exactly that way.  Your assertions in #1 and #2 are false.  I was there.  I have the notes from each session.  I heard the debate. I have the product decks that showed the direct response to feedback.  I saw the outcome. I also saw the results which include higher traffic and higher response rates.  Again, not opinion, not belief, not assertion - just facts supported by data.  Many of the changes to the site are regulatory and OEM related.  Many are not and are a direct result of input from the Dealer Council, including the Price Curve.  Assertions to the contrary are uninformed and lack any factual basis.  Believe them if you want, spread them if you want, but they are simply not true.

You are also incorrect on #6.  TrueCar has been gaining dealers throughout most of Q2 and Q3 and has increased it's dealer base more than 20% since Q1.  Once Mike Timmons and Ken Potter got a chance to sit with dealers and show them how things on the site really work and they could see for themselves, many new dealers signed up and others jumped back on.  Again, not opinion, not assertions, just facts supported by data.

Sorry to be so direct - some will say I am being mean or not very nice.  I don't mean to be.  To make false assertions that are uninformed by the facts is not fair to TrueCar nor the dealers who have taken their own time and risk to help make the site, the experience and process better for all.  TrueCar may never earn your respect, but the Dealers on the Council deserve it.

Comment by Jerry Thibeau on August 15, 2012 at 7:31am

And let us not forget these two gems from the 48 laws of power:

Rule 3 from "The 48 Laws of Power"

Conceal Your Intentions


Otto von Bismarck was a deputy in the Prussian parliament at a time when many
fellow deputies thought it was possible to go to war against Austria and defeat it.
Bismarck knew the Prussian army was not prepared, so he devised a clever way to
keep the war at bay. He publicly stated his praises for the Austrians and talked about
the madness of war. Many deputies changed their votes. Had Bismarck announced
his real intentions, arguing it was better to wait now and fight later, he would not have
won. Most Prussians wanted to go to war at that moment and mistakenly believed
their army to be superior to the Austrians. Had he gone to the king his sincerity would
have been doubted. By giving misleading statements about wanting peace and
concealing his true purpose, Bismarck’s speech catapulted him to the position of
prime minister. He later led the country to war against the Austrians at the right time,
when he felt the Prussian army was more capable.

Wisdom in a nutshell:
• Use decoyed objects of desire and red herrings to throw people off scent.
• Use smoke screens (a poker face) to disguise your actions.
• False sincerity is one powerful tool that will send your rivals on a wild goose
chase.
• Publicly declare your false intentions to give misleading signals.
• A noble gesture can be a smoke screen to hide your true intentions.
• Blend in and people will be less suspicious.

Rule 12 from "The 48 Laws of Power"

USE SELECTIVE HONESTY AND GENEROSITY TO DISARM YOUR VICTIM.


Count Victor Lustig promised Al Capone into giving him $50,000 on the terms that he
would double this investment in sixty days. Lustig kept the money untouched in a safety
deposit box. After the sixty days were up, he apologized to Capone saying he had failed
to double the money. Capone expected either $100,000, or nothing, what he did not
expect was an honest gesture of Lustig actually returning the $50,000. Al Capone was a
man who lived in constant mistrust of people around him, and was so touched by the
honest gesture he gave Lustig an extra $5,000.

The classic tale of the Fall of Troy is one example of hiding your ulterior motives within a
gift. The Trojan Horse was designed to hold soldiers that would attack the city of Troy
and recapture Helen who had been taken away from the Greeks by Paris.

Wisdom in a nutshell:
• The essence of deception is distraction. An act of kindness, generosity, or
honesty will distract and disarm people and turn them into gullible children.
• Give before you take.
• Nothing in the realm of power is set in stone. Overt deceptiveness may
sometimes cover your tracks. If you have a history of deceit behind you, then
play the rogue, be consistent and this will be interpreted as you simply being
yourself. Your dishonesty becomes an act of honesty.



I wouldn't trust them.  No good comes from the growth of this beast.  Those of you who have changed your tune have obviously been wooed by the beast. Prepare to be eaten!

Comment by Thomas A. Kelly on August 15, 2012 at 7:10am

On the subject of character, integrity, and credibility.

Always believe what a person does, not what he says. –Fred Smith

Wisdom is knowing the right path to take … Integrity is taking it. –MH McKee

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