TRUE CAR and ZAG Cyber Bandits, Parasites or Good for the Car Business?

Jim Ziegler asks...

I am hearing a lot of discussion about True Car and ZAG.  I continually scratch my head and wonder if  desperate dealers are doing the marketing limbo "How Low Can You Go?" 

Are we so bad at what we do that we have to line up and pay vendors to lose money? AND, who is giving these people access to your data that is used against you? 

 

Who owns these companies and what might be their ulterior motive?  Sometimes I ask questions to which I already know the answer. 

 

Am I wrong?


What do you think... JIM

 

 

Jim Ziegler's Guidance and Recommended Action Plan:

Ten Areas We Need to Concentrate on to Bring This Monster to It's Knees...

  1. Government investigation of ALL Data Aggregators taking consumer information from dealers' DMS. Sadly enough, dealers who do business with TrueCar are exposed to  liability charges. Cut off all access to unecessary data, no matter who takes it from the dealers DMS and make it illegal to "resell identifiable consumer data" and "transactional data".
  2. Educate Your Fellow Dealers; If anyone takes financial transactional data, they expose the dealer that allowed it to violations, especially if it is passed on to other vendors or shared.
  3. Educate Consumers to what they're doing with their information...
    a. You buy a car from a dealer, do you really want your personal information, and maybe even your financial information, passed along and sold and shared by "God knows who?"
    b. These People Charge the Dealer $300 which the dealers have to build into the deal
    c. Your Privacy and the Security of your Information could theoretically compromise your identity if you do business a company that takes data from the dealership.
  4. Educate Investors and potential investors they could possibly be mislead if anyone is telling them this is a safe investment because of all of the dealers pushing back, associations pushing back, and government regulators in many states coming after TrueCar's business model as NOT compliant, in some cases they're saying it is Not Legal.
  5. AMEX, USAA and all of their affiliates do not want the bad consumer relations this push back is creating with their members and customers.
  6. Cancel your dealership's Affilation with TrueCar. Tell people with TrueCar certificates that YOU don't honor TrueCar and you feel the company is NOT reputable. Educate consumers as to perceived data exposure if they buy from a TrueCar dealer. Make sure that each consumer knows that using TrueCar actually increases their vehicle cost by $300 to $400.
  7. Make the dealers selling at huge losses take all of those deals. Big problem right now is too many Nissan Dealers and others are taking huge losers to get the factory money. The TrueCar reverse-auction business model will continually push those numbers down until the factory money is non-existent. Consumers need to hear from many dealers, "We don't do TrueCar"
  8. Keep calling your National and State Dealer Associations demanding they get involved and stay involved... No excuses.
  9. Get the Manufacturers into the game. If GM, Ford, Toyota, and other majors change the rules about how we advertise and do business to protect the dealers, we can cut off their ability to set pricing. So keep it up at every dealer meeting. Call your Dealer Council Members and protest to your factory reps. Tell the manufacturers, if they want showroom and facility improvements, we need the ability to make fair profits.
  10. Tell everyone you know. Educate other dealers and industry people. Watch the Painter interviews... I believe this is the first time a vendor has publicly announced they intend to bring down the dealers and hijack our business, taking our profits and starving us out with our own data. Painter has said manufacturers and dealers should go bankrupt and he, in his God-like way "will control distribution..."
    When the TrueCar-Yahoo Deal kicks in we need to stand firm and "Just Say No" we don't honor TrueCar deals.

Read this article as a referencehttp://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20110831%2FFIN... 

AND, if you doubt the mission... read this...  http://www.zag.com/websiteASSETS/whitepapers/ZAG-WhitePaper3.pdf

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Comment by David Ruggles on December 15, 2011 at 7:33pm

Painter might continue on with, "And I am doing the industry a favor by getting rich from sharing my vision.  I really hope my vision is correct, but what the hell, I can get rich either way.  Tails I win, heads you lose."

Comment by Stanley Esposito on December 15, 2011 at 3:22pm
"Things are fundamentally changing so fast," Painter says. "If dealers and manufacturers don't embrace new ways of communicating with the customers, they won't survive."

Above is a quote from Scott Painter. Below is a quote from me:

"If dealers and manufacturers don't embrace truecar they (truecar) will not survive."
Stop paying them! Drop them!
Comment by Keith Shetterly on December 15, 2011 at 2:37pm

Got it.

Comment by Keith Shetterly on December 15, 2011 at 2:33pm

Mike, did you type it in wrong? keithshetterly@gmail.com 

Comment by Mike Warwick on December 15, 2011 at 2:26pm

On its' way!

Comment by Keith Shetterly on December 15, 2011 at 2:16pm

@ Mike, can you forward that to me keithshetterly@gmail.com?  I'd like to see it before I do the call with Painter tomorrow.  Thanks!

Comment by Mike Warwick on December 15, 2011 at 2:13pm

Just got an email from Truecar.  They are completely revamping their system in a failed attempt to keep dealers on.

Comment by David T. Gould on December 15, 2011 at 2:03pm

The effect of TrueCar's model continues to amaze me... latest here... customer stated  "we did not give any buying group permission to negotiate for us, why do we have to accept their price?". Clarification of the program did not help... Full presentation, (check) pick, (check) demo ride, (check) service walk, (check) present TrueCar worksheet, (check)... Result:  no sale, upset customer. FYI to Grant and others who see TrueCar as an acceptable resource... value story is not the problem here. 

Comment by Stan Sher on December 15, 2011 at 1:50pm
Comment by James A. Ziegler on December 15, 2011 at 1:31pm

Dealer just told me he was interviewed by investigator from the Louisiana Motor Vehicle Commission that is investigating ZAG/Truecar with an upcoming hearing. They took a hard look at his records. 

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