TrueCar, KBB & Edmunds: an Objective View

TrueCar has certainly stirred up a hornet’s nest with “Know the REAL Price”. To be fair they are not the only online lead generator that uses dealership transactional data in an effort to get between the customer and the dealership and get a piece of the car sale either through a pay for lead or pay for sale pricing model.

Both KBB and Edmunds use transactional data also, the difference… their billing model doesn’t require them to dial into your system so it doesn’t appear that they get the data directly from the dealer. In fact, they don't. They buy it from other sources the same way that TrueCar does.

DEALERS: BEHIND THE SCENES THERE ARE MANY 3RDPARTIES EXTRACTING YOUR DATA THEN RESELLING AND REPURPOSING IT AND YOU ARE NONE THE WISER.

I want to be perfectly clear on my position:

The data that originates at the dealership on the transaction of a vehicle or the service transaction of a vehicle is owned by two people:

  1. The customer: who has the right to self-report or give permission for someone to use that data
  2. The dealer: who has the same rights as the customer to share this data under the law and under the guides of their privacy policy.

NO OTHER ENTITY HAS THE RIGHTS, IN MY OPINION, TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE DATA OTHER THAN WHAT THE DEALER HAS CONTRACTED WITH THEM TO DO…PERIOD.

Non-PII (Non Personally Identifiable Information) or not, it doesn’t matter… To companies that are selling this data: IT’S NOT YOUR DATA TO SELL!

So to my friends - Ralph Paglia, Jim Ziegler, Keith Shetterly, Jerry Thibeau - and others, I have to say that we have been a bit unfair piling on TrueCar and not calling out KBB or Edmunds not to mention a major supplier of this data is PIN Data (Power Information Network). Yes, that’s right my friends, JD Powers is in the middle of providing this data and powering TrueCar at least up until recent months and are possibly still selling this data to others.

The web to track down the actual data suppliers is tangled and deep and I am not sure we will ever get to the bottom of who is really responsible. Suffice to say, dealers, we are being played and there are a lot of companies making their business on the backs of our hard marketing work and money spent to get a customer to our showroom and buy a car!

While there is no doubt TrueCar has been the most vocal, I have to ask how long will it go on with KBB and Edmunds if we don't put a stop to it now? How long would they have continued to use our data if TrueCar hadn’t brought it to our attention?

While KBB and Edmunds don't violate any state laws with regards to billing on the sale of a car, they are violating the very same advertising laws that TrueCar is violating.

See the PowerPoint below that shows a comparison between TrueCar vehicle pricing, KBB vehicle pricing and Edmunds vehicle pricing.

At the end of the day, no one company’s data is better than the other with a price difference from low to high of $304. Ironically, TrueCar’s price was the highest by almost exactly the amount of their fee, so you could say as many have said they are passing the fee on to the customer.

Dealers: the train has left the station on trying to keep these 3rdparties out of our business. I would be the first to agree they shouldn’t be between the customer and the dealer. We have powered them. We have bought their services to the tune of millions of dollars and we haven’t gotten our own internet marketing house in order… so they are here to stay. HOWEVER, you have a chance to stop this inappropriate use of YOUR data now before it gets out of hand…

SO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

Just my thoughts. What say you? 

PowerPoint Compairson Between TrueCar, Edmunds and KBB

Auto transactional data analysis
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Comment by David T. Gould on January 9, 2012 at 5:29pm

you are correct larry about the data concerns. others are dealing with truecar on the broker issue as that issue caught the most traction out of the gates. JZ gets the data issue and will not let it drop, I am confident in that. great job keeping up the data awareness with posts like this. good selling! dtg

Comment by Larry Bruce on January 5, 2012 at 11:33pm

No doubt Rob the issue is they are here now and we cant shut them down so... Like a good salesperson, you gotta find a way to work your payplan. 

Comment by Rob Winters on January 5, 2012 at 11:24pm

These sites exist because dealers got lazy.  Someone decided it must be about price, forget presentation...  has anyone seen a professional salesperson lately?  Someone who can do a real "feature, advantage, benefit"presentation?  Someone who can build value in their product, facility and themselves?  Just remember, a nothing deal is a problem deal.  If we don't build value, the cheapest price is still too much..  everybody loses.

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